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all of the above..

your post is a breath of fresh air. In deed it is a blatant violation of women’s rights. We need more voices like yours, on this issue.

Thank you.]]> ”Islamization, Talibanization, or sheer male dictatorship”



all of the above..



your post is a breath of fresh air. In deed it is a blatant violation of women’s rights. We need more voices like yours, on this issue.



Thank you.

]]> Sun, 04 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Oscar http://jacqui.instablogs.com http://jacqui.instablogs.com Oscar Thank you for a very informative posts. It allows people like me who are endeucated in such affairs the chance not only to learn, but to feel what is happening.

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Sanwali http://sanwali.instablogs.com http://sanwali.instablogs.com Sanwali I can find one plus point in this post…Its written by a male. Thank god that few men (muslims specifically) have started feeling that even girls need their space in choosing on what to wear. I wonder if girls in Pakistan, ever wear jeans?

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Karim Khan http://freebird.instablogs.com http://freebird.instablogs.com Karim Khan
Yes, girls do wear jeans but only in big cities like Islamabad and Karachi and these girls are mostly from upper social classes. In Peshawar, I have seen only a few local girls wearing jeans but they still wear extra long shirts while going out in the public. Many Afghan girls wear jeans and normal size shirts but when they go out, they veil themselves in black from head to toe (only eyes left uncovered). So there is a general fear of inviting hostility from fundamentalists if a girl goes out in some western attire.]]> Thanks Sanwali,



Yes, girls do wear jeans but only in big cities like Islamabad and Karachi and these girls are mostly from upper social classes. In Peshawar, I have seen only a few local girls wearing jeans but they still wear extra long shirts while going out in the public. Many Afghan girls wear jeans and normal size shirts but when they go out, they veil themselves in black from head to toe (only eyes left uncovered). So there is a general fear of inviting hostility from fundamentalists if a girl goes out in some western attire.

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Sanwali http://sanwali.instablogs.com http://sanwali.instablogs.com Sanwali
Well! I feel bad for the poor girls who always have to keep themselves fully covered in order to protect themselves from the men of their own community. Where else in the world will they feel secure if they can’t do so in and around their own house?

Karim, we need more and more people like you in such countries so that these evils can be thrown out of the society forever.]]> I thought so; that only upper social class would allow their girls to wear jeans. With money comes power...how true this is.



Well! I feel bad for the poor girls who always have to keep themselves fully covered in order to protect themselves from the men of their own community. Where else in the world will they feel secure if they can’t do so in and around their own house?



Karim, we need more and more people like you in such countries so that these evils can be thrown out of the society forever.

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Oscar http://jacqui.instablogs.com http://jacqui.instablogs.com Oscar
Why must the mouth be covered as well?

Please do not take offense to my questions, they are sincere and in effort to not only learn, but try to understand.]]> I have never fully understand the veil, as ignorant as I may sound. Is it to keep women from ”showing” themselves or to keep men from looking at them?



Why must the mouth be covered as well?



Please do not take offense to my questions, they are sincere and in effort to not only learn, but try to understand.

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Samir http://delirium.instablogs.com http://delirium.instablogs.com Samir Oscar you kill me man :D now i’m also wondering why the hell they cover the mouths,face...

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Karim Khan http://freebird.instablogs.com http://freebird.instablogs.com Karim Khan You forgot to ask ’why are eyes left uncovered?’ After all, a single uncovered eye is enough to make a wink (LOL!)

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Oscar http://jacqui.instablogs.com http://jacqui.instablogs.com Oscar I wasn’t trying to be funny with my question...Sorry if it came out that way..Is there a reason, or is it ”just the rules”?]]> Samir,

I wasn’t trying to be funny with my question...Sorry if it came out that way..Is there a reason, or is it ”just the rules”?

]]> Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Ilhan Khan http://ilhan.instablogs.com http://ilhan.instablogs.com Ilhan Khan Well, Malakand these days is in the de facto controll of taliban terrorists..the security forces are fighting back but it seems to be an uphill task...taliban control more than 90 % of the area..they are imposing their will by using brutal tactics like beheaibg, wiping and even stoning...yesterday a woman was brutal slaughtered by the taliban in the area for not wearing the burqa....such measures hav ben taken by various educational institutions to keep taliban away from their students..the female students of malakand university mostly belong tto Swat and its vicinity..they hav to pass through variou taliban check posts...the security forces are not yet able to eliminate the checkposts.....for the time being its important to save the lives of those students and also the institution from the wrath of taliban untill the security forces gain control back from taliban and peace returns...Well the story posted here is a deliberately sensattionalized...Nobody will like to see their daughters beheaded....the security forces are totally in effective and the Govt. is unable to provide any security..so fo rthe time lets save our heads and hope the Govt clears the area of those brutals.

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Karim Khan http://freebird.instablogs.com http://freebird.instablogs.com Karim Khan Ilhan, the story has not been deliberately sensationalized but instead left a little underdeveloped in order to cut the topic short. It is okay for people to savethier daughtetrs and women from the brutalities of Taliban. The point that you entirely missed in the whole post is the decision imposed by the Vice Chancellor without admittting that he is under pressure from terrorist elements. Instaed, he is masking the issue with ’promoting Islamic values’. If the step has been taken to ensure safety, why is the VC lying? There is nomention in the paper’s post of Taliban beheading women and since I take your word to be true, we come to the conclusion that the paper has underreported the matter. But just drawingon what I read, I wonder that being the head of a responsible government institute, what stops the VC from admitting that veil is being imposed for saving lives? I don’t think that an open lie like this suits a person who represents as big an institute as a government university. What do you say?

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Oscar http://jacqui.instablogs.com http://jacqui.instablogs.com Oscar
I have read and seen documentaries that women are not to study under Taliban Rule? Is this true, or is it decided by regions which girls may continue studying and which may not?

Is the veil or burq to keep men from seeing the women or women from ”showing” themselves to men? Why does their mouth have to be covered by the veil as as well?

Foe a western mind it seems insane to force a girl or woman back into a veil, but if it meant keeping my daughter from being beheaded, I would surely be the first to cover my daughter as well...

Is there hope for clearing the Taliban from the school areas and allowing the girls to not only eventually unveil again, but to continue their studies safely?]]> What or where is Swat? What are ”beheaibg and wiping (Imknow what stoning is)?



I have read and seen documentaries that women are not to study under Taliban Rule? Is this true, or is it decided by regions which girls may continue studying and which may not?



Is the veil or burq to keep men from seeing the women or women from ”showing” themselves to men? Why does their mouth have to be covered by the veil as as well?



Foe a western mind it seems insane to force a girl or woman back into a veil, but if it meant keeping my daughter from being beheaded, I would surely be the first to cover my daughter as well...



Is there hope for clearing the Taliban from the school areas and allowing the girls to not only eventually unveil again, but to continue their studies safely?

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Incognito http://incognito73.instablogs.com http://incognito73.instablogs.com Incognito http://www.rawa.org/index.php  The veil and Burqa is to keep Muslim men from lusting after women, because they, apparently, have no control over their lust.  I think it goes beyond that, but that’s just my opinion, that I’d be happy to share with you, if you were interested. AS long as the Taliban are in power, women will continue to be non-entities.  It’s criminal.]]> Hey Oscar,
I can’t answer the 2 first questions.. but under Taliban rule women/girls are not allowed to do anything, let alone study.  Has nothing to do with regions.  They just want to keep their women ignorant.  When the Taliban came into power women were not alloweed to work, so engineers, doctors etc. had to stay at home.  If you want to get a woman’s perspective regarding women in Afghanistan check out...
http://www.rawa.org/index.php 

The veil and Burqa is to keep Muslim men from lusting after women, because they, apparently, have no control over their lust.  I think it goes beyond that, but that’s just my opinion, that I’d be happy to share with you, if you were interested.

AS long as the Taliban are in power, women will continue to be non-entities.  It’s criminal.

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Ilhan Khan http://ilhan.instablogs.com http://ilhan.instablogs.com Ilhan Khan
As far as my op is concerned clearing taliban is not an easy task our security agencies hav faild many times it ll tak more time sadly.....if they dont stop taliban at the moment i think the nxt rule will be ”women are not allowed to study”

Ur question abt the purdah....actually it is used to ensure both....the hiding of face is not compulsory under Islamic tradition...but taliban are not following islam thy are just using its name most of them are ignorant and losers of the society..]]> Swat is the northern district of Pakistan previously it was an independent state later on it was taken under Pakistan control...Malakand university lies in the same region...Ya its right women under taliban rule are forbiden from acquiring wat they call westtern education however thy can educate thm selves in religion...howevr the taliban in the said region has takn a defferent route thy r not baning women from institutions so far but thy hav imposed veil or purdah as a necessary element of clothing for women...if some1 dosnt observe this they will be beheaded....



As far as my op is concerned clearing taliban is not an easy task our security agencies hav faild many times it ll tak more time sadly.....if they dont stop taliban at the moment i think the nxt rule will be ”women are not allowed to study”



Ur question abt the purdah....actually it is used to ensure both....the hiding of face is not compulsory under Islamic tradition...but taliban are not following islam thy are just using its name most of them are ignorant and losers of the society..

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Incognito http://incognito73.instablogs.com http://incognito73.instablogs.com Incognito Point being, it shouldn’t even be an issue...  having to wear the veil to save lives.  

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Nazish http://gulmohar.instablogs.com http://gulmohar.instablogs.com Nazish And still the worst, govt. is surely not there to save ..
And it all saddens me like anything..]]> Very touching post..Yes, karim even discussing the matter feels a nauseating repitition..a woman swathed in veil and a ridiculous heavy drape, is a physical manifestation and a constant reminder of the notion to outside world that she is ”brand” awiating its ”launch”.. and for this Mr.Jan so undeservigly heading an educational institution of such import.. I have a word of advice that he orders a space suit to be worn by all female students.. that covers them better.. but provided that it has a separate oxygen tank attached with it.. for women breathing in same air as men do,might be incendiary enough to lead male libidos to havoc..

And still the worst, govt. is surely not there to save ..

And it all saddens me like anything..

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Karim Khan http://freebird.instablogs.com http://freebird.instablogs.com Karim Khan Thanks Nazish! The power of your comment surpasses that of my post. The spoof of space-suits with oxygen tanks for women is hilarious! Yeah, we need a good deal of scientific research to prmote Islamic values, especially whenit comes to gender (LOL)! By the way, I have a handsome friend and he has special charm for the opposite sex. Many girls get a crush on him. I suggest that, since it is also unislamic, we better veil such attrative guys too. More sin will be curbed. LOL!

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Sarah http://sarahngb.instablogs.com http://sarahngb.instablogs.com Sarah Because i thought it was 2009...]]> is this real? my god is this really happening?!?!?!?!!?

Because i thought it was 2009...

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Samir http://delirium.instablogs.com http://delirium.instablogs.com Samir Good morning Sarah *smiles* wakey wakey and yes its happening in many countries other than Pakistan as well.

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Sarah http://sarahngb.instablogs.com http://sarahngb.instablogs.com Sarah But you know an egyptian saying tells us that there’s a burden that makes us cry, and one that makes us laugh...]]> Well you’re awfully cheery considering this is actually a tragedy!

But you know an egyptian saying tells us that there’s a burden that makes us cry, and one that makes us laugh...

]]> Mon, 05 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Ikramuddin Bahram http://ikramuddin.instablogs.com http://ikramuddin.instablogs.com Ikramuddin Bahram
The matter is not wearing veil or growig beards. It’s of dominance in society. A dominance that is of ignorance and will lead to the dark. These extremists who believe they are doing all these things for the sake of religion are misled. It indeed is a curb on women’s right to choose and the right to express themselves as they wish. Ilhan gives an excuse, ru by the way trying to defend these fundamentalists, the products of hardline radical madrassas? Excuses won’t work. It must be made loud and clear to them that we are far a head of the times they think. You can no more keep women in veils forcefully. The world will act.
Thanks Karim for posting such a thought provoking issue.]]> Well presented though short.



The matter is not wearing veil or growig beards. It’s of dominance in society. A dominance that is of ignorance and will lead to the dark. These extremists who believe they are doing all these things for the sake of religion are misled. It indeed is a curb on women’s right to choose and the right to express themselves as they wish. Ilhan gives an excuse, ru by the way trying to defend these fundamentalists, the products of hardline radical madrassas? Excuses won’t work. It must be made loud and clear to them that we are far a head of the times they think. You can no more keep women in veils forcefully. The world will act.

Thanks Karim for posting such a thought provoking issue.

]]> Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Abid http://mshafiq.instablogs.com http://mshafiq.instablogs.com Abid it feels if a women wear a jean or skirt, she can be more enthusiastic and make country more progressing.

on the other hand if she wears a veil she can’t be help full any where. She has no use if she wears veil.

Am i correct?]]> After reading the whole above..

it feels if a women wear a jean or skirt, she can be more enthusiastic and make country more progressing.



on the other hand if she wears a veil she can’t be help full any where. She has no use if she wears veil.



Am i correct?

]]> Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Sanwali http://sanwali.instablogs.com http://sanwali.instablogs.com Sanwali
Read the post and the comments again and come to a sensible conclusion rather than trying to change the meaning of others’ opinions.]]> No! You are not.



Read the post and the comments again and come to a sensible conclusion rather than trying to change the meaning of others’ opinions.

]]> Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Abid http://mshafiq.instablogs.com http://mshafiq.instablogs.com Abid
Am i correct now?]]> so it mean imposing spiritual/religious laws is wrong.....



Am i correct now?

]]> Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Sanwali http://sanwali.instablogs.com http://sanwali.instablogs.com Sanwali
Please read the comments carefully.]]> Give me one good reason to impose this law and by the way, did you go through this...http://nadia-adnan.instablogs.com/entry/194-rape-cases-in-karachi/



Please read the comments carefully.

]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Abid http://mshafiq.instablogs.com http://mshafiq.instablogs.com Abid
but I want to disclose some more information here,

In Canada, a woman is sexually assaulted every 6 minutes,
1 in 3 women in Canada will be sexually assaulted at some time in their lives,
1 in 4 women are at the risk of rape or attempted rape in her lifetime,
1 in 8 women will be sexually assaulted while attending college or university, and
A study found 60% of Canadian university-aged males said they would commit sexual assault if they were certain they wouldn’t get caught.

you can go and read this link for more information,

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/w_islam/veil.htm


I hope you will read this link throughly.]]> I am not gonna give you a brief lecture on veiling ....but if you compare the rape ratio in Islamic countries with any NON Islamic country e.g, India, USA, England.... you will ultimately believe and come to know the benefits of veiling.



but I want to disclose some more information here,



In Canada, a woman is sexually assaulted every 6 minutes,

1 in 3 women in Canada will be sexually assaulted at some time in their lives,

1 in 4 women are at the risk of rape or attempted rape in her lifetime,

1 in 8 women will be sexually assaulted while attending college or university, and

A study found 60% of Canadian university-aged males said they would commit sexual assault if they were certain they wouldn’t get caught.



you can go and read this link for more information,



http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/w_islam/veil.htm





I hope you will read this link throughly.

]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Karim Khan http://freebird.instablogs.com http://freebird.instablogs.com Karim Khan Abid, your information may (or may not) be reliable. But if it is reliable, it proves that Islam is totally devoid of reason. You say that unveiled women are more prone to sexual assault (and this is causally not proved or confirmed) and if they are, then Islam should confine the males to their houses because men are the offenders; their freedom of movement should end, not that of women. Since veiling women serves the male ego and dictatorship, religious imposition of veils speaks for the darkness that religion has brought to the life of women. Instead of restricting the aggressors, it goes hard on women. And it is an open wound on the body of humanity.

]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Oscar http://jacqui.instablogs.com http://jacqui.instablogs.com Oscar
If the rape issue is the reason for the veil, wouldn’t it be more fair to veil (or lock down, or remove) the man AND his penis WHICH CANNOT be self controled.

Geez...that’s not saying much for men in Islamic countries, it makes them sound more like animals, no auto control or reasoning..If that’s the case, maybe they should be nuetered.

Why are women even allowed to speak in this case..Might the sheer words of a woman cause possible arousal to the uncontrolable men?]]> Abid,



If the rape issue is the reason for the veil, wouldn’t it be more fair to veil (or lock down, or remove) the man AND his penis WHICH CANNOT be self controled.



Geez...that’s not saying much for men in Islamic countries, it makes them sound more like animals, no auto control or reasoning..If that’s the case, maybe they should be nuetered.



Why are women even allowed to speak in this case..Might the sheer words of a woman cause possible arousal to the uncontrolable men?

]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Karim Khan http://freebird.instablogs.com http://freebird.instablogs.com Karim Khan Well said Oscar, yeah you can see the hypocricy here: in fact, in fundamentalist Islam, it is forbidden for a man to hear the voice of a woman who is not his immediate blood relative (sister, mother, aunt etc.) unless for some special reason like cure, education etc.So the point of co-ed is a confused hypocritical religious mess. Yeah, it is all a meaningless fuss about self-asserted values!

]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Sanwali http://sanwali.instablogs.com http://sanwali.instablogs.com Sanwali
Hope god bless you with some wisdom Abid!

Take care!]]> Thanks Karim, Thanks Oscar!



Hope god bless you with some wisdom Abid!



Take care!

]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Oscar http://jacqui.instablogs.com http://jacqui.instablogs.com Oscar
Maybe the ”dean” of the university is in fear of speaking his true reasons behind the re-veiling of the girls..

If it is to protect the girls, I can understand a parent or dean wanting to keep the girls safe from harm.. Sometimes one must choose the ”lesser of two evils”, but either way, by keeping them ”safe” it essentially means returning them to a very dark, oppressed way of life, which apparently they were given a brief freedom from, no?

question:it does have to do with the post, indirectly..Did the Taliban leave this area or become more leniant for a while and have suddenly returned?(with checkpoints, etc)]]> Is the university in question an actual educational university or a relgious university as was mentioned in another comment?



Maybe the ”dean” of the university is in fear of speaking his true reasons behind the re-veiling of the girls..



If it is to protect the girls, I can understand a parent or dean wanting to keep the girls safe from harm.. Sometimes one must choose the ”lesser of two evils”, but either way, by keeping them ”safe” it essentially means returning them to a very dark, oppressed way of life, which apparently they were given a brief freedom from, no?



question:it does have to do with the post, indirectly..Did the Taliban leave this area or become more leniant for a while and have suddenly returned?(with checkpoints, etc)

]]> Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Karim Khan http://freebird.instablogs.com http://freebird.instablogs.com Karim Khan Oscar, the University of Malakand is indeed a government university, comparatively newly established. But the question of two evils is an issue apart. This post of mine points to the fact that a high university official, who represents the government (or has the claim to this authority) is misleading the masses. He is feigning the promotion of Islamic values in order to hide his fear of fundamentalists. Secondly, he is wrong by imposing the veil on women without getting any consensus on the issue from the concerned students, which point to his male instincts to oppress subordinate females (or else why is the rule valid for female students only? Why not female teachers?. Finally, there has been no news of threats or violence against ’un-veiled’ females within the campus. What happens outside is not the VC’s headache; he should be concerned with the threat within the campus and so far the campus has been peaceful; so again the decision is utterly despotic. I hope you got the point now.

]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Oscar http://jacqui.instablogs.com http://jacqui.instablogs.com Oscar I didn’t get the full understanding. I didn’t know women teachers were excluded from this veiling.

Even it is WAS or IS for security reasons, it should be decided and/or enforced by the student and parents, no?

Thank you for clarifying..

question: When you say ”government University” it is then for academic studies, not religious ? if this is correct, will the taliban target the school for allowing girls to become educated?]]> Thank you for clearing it up Karim,

I didn’t get the full understanding. I didn’t know women teachers were excluded from this veiling.



Even it is WAS or IS for security reasons, it should be decided and/or enforced by the student and parents, no?



Thank you for clarifying..



question: When you say ”government University” it is then for academic studies, not religious ? if this is correct, will the taliban target the school for allowing girls to become educated?

]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Karim Khan http://freebird.instablogs.com http://freebird.instablogs.com Karim Khan Incognito, the veiling of women comes later with fundamentalists; first of all, they throw a huge veil on ’sense’ and ’logic’ so as to take pride in their ugly face of fanatacism.

]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Incognito http://incognito73.instablogs.com http://incognito73.instablogs.com Incognito In my opinion, yes.. but I can’t speak for anyone else.

]]> Tue, 06 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Incognito http://incognito73.instablogs.com http://incognito73.instablogs.com Incognito  the benefits of veiling.... are you saying men are so animalistic they have no control over their urges?  and consider the source of your material... find me a non-Islamic source, please.

]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Incognito http://incognito73.instablogs.com http://incognito73.instablogs.com Incognito A little reminiscent of that Imam in Australia who claimed unveliled women were asking to be raped...saying they were like uncovered meat waiting to attract animals.. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australian-muslim-cleric-blames-women-for-rape-421803.html

You are such an enlightened man, Karim!  Bless you for that!

]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Incognito http://incognito73.instablogs.com http://incognito73.instablogs.com Incognito very funny, Oscar.. this made me laugh out loud..

 

]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Karim Khan http://freebird.instablogs.com http://freebird.instablogs.com Karim Khan
Government universities are academic institutes not preaching centers; they award degrees in sciences, humanities, and other disciplines. Taliban have already forcibly closed many girls schools in different areas but most government universities, like that of Malakand, have a co-ed system of education - they are not women’s universities. Got it?]]> Yes Oscar, it should be decided by the women, thier parents and family whether or not they wear a veil; if they do, well and good; if they don’t, equally good. A government official has no right to become the patriarch of girls, treating them as his possession.



Government universities are academic institutes not preaching centers; they award degrees in sciences, humanities, and other disciplines. Taliban have already forcibly closed many girls schools in different areas but most government universities, like that of Malakand, have a co-ed system of education - they are not women’s universities. Got it?

]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Oscar http://jacqui.instablogs.com http://jacqui.instablogs.com Oscar Got it! Thanks for taking the time and having so much patience in explaining everything to me, Karim.

]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Karim Khan http://freebird.instablogs.com http://freebird.instablogs.com Karim Khan Well Oscar, religion has become a universal menace. And since the days of fundamentalist thought are numbered, it is reacting to coerce the masses from dropping it.

]]> Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Incognito http://incognito73.instablogs.com http://incognito73.instablogs.com Incognito Sadly, we have fanatics in all religions.

]]> Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000 Incognito http://incognito73.instablogs.com http://incognito73.instablogs.com Incognito I hope you are right about fundamentalist thought, Karim, because it seems to be gaining in popularity. 

]]> Thu, 08 Jan 2009 00:00:00 +0000