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Michael C

Michael C — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hello Karim, and thanks for this excellent and well-balanced piece of writing.

Your question ”can true integration be brought about without losing one’s values/identity?” is very pertinent.

If you would like a corollory point of view on the subject of muslim integration in Europe, may I cordially invite you to read this, which I put up a while back, if just for the factual information I tried to put across...

http://mikool.instablogs.com/entry/muslims-and-the-west-part1-france/

Thanks again for the post...

Seeya

Burton Wolfe

Burton Wolfe — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

In my view, Islam in all of its forms is a violent, genocidal, lunatic religion that should be wiped off the face of the earth. There never was any Prophet Mohammed by any spelling or in any language. The entire Koran (or Quran) is fiction. If it were offered today for publication, it would be dismissed as the raving or ravings of a lunatic or several lunatics. The idea that you can separate peaceful or moderate Islamists from extremists is preposterous, because the religion itself is extreme. It is an atavistic imposition on civilization that begs to be exposed for what it is: lunacy that keeps more than a billion human beings locked into an existence based on fraud and primitives’ lunatic ravings. I cannot and will not have any respect for anyone crazy or ignorant enough to follow this lunatic religion or to support the right of its followers to practice the religion. It comprises the single greatest threat to humanity from non-natural sources, and the only way to deal with it is to expose it for the fraud that it is and wipe it off the face of the earth. For more understanding of why I construe Islam as a global threat to humanity, visit my blog Wolfe Lair, to be found at http://wolfelair.blogspot.com. - Burton H. Wolfe

Michael C

Michael C — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Ladies and gentlemen, you just read a perfect example of USA paranoid-college-kid-style ranting and raving at its very best.

Get off this site, you disgusting racist creep. You are part of the problem.

People like you, who advocate violence against muslims, or against anyone else, are no better than the Jihadists. You are a disgrace to my culture, (western culture) its values and its beliefs, and you represent nothing else but the sick and paranoid side of USA spoilt brat life.

As for not having respect for those who believe in the right of Islam to exist, I am proud not to have your respect. I don’t want it thanks, and nor does anyone else.

Fuck off back to the hate-filled hole you came from you filthy little jerk. This is not Youtube.

People like you make me sick.

Now shut the hell up and go to bed young man. Don’t you have any homework to do?

Blah Machine

Blah Machine — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

A question for all content moderators. Can anybody get away with saying anything on this site, or can certain comments be taken off it? I’m assuming there is no place or tolerance for

absolute and destructive venom?

Michael C

Michael C — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Blah Machine, I could delete this comment if I wanted to. But I won’t. Lets just leave it here so that people can see just how sick the downside of America is.

Blah Machine

Blah Machine — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Hmmm Michael, very sick indeed. I wonder how these guys live with themselves, with all of that hate inside - it must be corrosive as hell, wouldn’t you think?

Well anyway, Peace, and keep it coming Karim and all ye thinkers! For today at least, let’s celebrate the fact that there’s more of us than of Burton Wolfe!

Denis

Denis — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

It seems BWolfe is not a dumbass college kid. He is a 76 year old dumb ass. So do not fret Michael, hate filled old men die early. . . their innards go into a knot.

Michael C

Michael C — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Thanks for the info Denis.

Well and graphically said too.

So sad, some people fade away SO HARD!!!

Seeya!

Michael C

Michael C — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Read my comment. I’m fucking furious!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blah Machine

Blah Machine — Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Interesting piece, Karim. Gives you something to think about; one tires of hearing about this West-alientes-Islam-alienates-the-West seesaw. And in this day and age of increasing rhetoric, anybody who thinks an original thought deserves a star!

Anil

Anil — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

The learned professor Tariq Ramadan has raised valid points. Thanks Karim for bringing such analytical piece for eyeballs in the Instablags. It is unfortunate that the debate instead of being an honest one on a burning issue has turned into a no-hold-bar one amidst the Islamophobia, afflicting the west like a virus.

There is a difference between technocrat and techno-coli. And majority of Asians and Africans, including Muslim folks are engaged in the West for petty jobs entitling them to get wages, enough only for bare subsistence and in turn falling prey to the lurking religious leaders.

Secondly, the extended family system in Asia often leads to influx of the friends and relatives of someone who managed to be in the West.

Karim Khan

Karim Khan — Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Well, everybody here: thanks for your comments but please stay calm and abstian from using abusive language.

Michael and Denis, everyone has the right to express his/her opinion. Burton and your opinions are both equally important but please don’t use abusive terms for anyone on the site. I think we are all educated and mature people and can bear criticism without losing temper.

Thanks!

Karim

Ikramuddin Bahram

Ikramuddin Bahram — Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:00:00 +0000

Nice article put up before our eyes to see how communities differ in cultures and traditions and how difficult would one community find to integrate into the other.

Well i believe in world like today’s, we need to understand the concept of pluralism and diversity and their due affect in our individual and communal life. To me where for Muslims it is important to adhere to their traditions, it’s also pretty important to them to get to know other cultures and seek to respect them. As far as arabs are concerned, their attitude has never changed and will take a very long time till every arab is educated and taught that the religion of their forefathers, Islam, teaches equality for all and justice for all irrespective of their culture, creed or languge or ethnicity.