Values, Idealism, and Muslim Integration in Europe - Instablogs
Values, Idealism, and Muslim Integration in Europe
Karim Khan , Peshawar: Dec 19 2008
Made Popular Dec 19 2008

Values, Idealism, and Muslim Integration in Europe

In a recent opinion piece titled Europe’s Islam Question (published in Daily Times, December 17, 2008), Professor Tariq Ramadan of the Oxford University pointed to the failure of an effective integration of European Muslims into their dominantly non-Muslim society. Mr. Ramadan questioned Europe’s capability of harmoniously assimilating diverse ethnicities, particularly Muslims, without compromising their ideals of equality, justice, and respect for its citizens. While some of the points highlighted in Mr. Ramadan’s article appear justified, a few important connections need to be added for greater clarity and better understanding.

First, the ideal culture in all societies leads unrealistically ahead of the real culture(s) existing in a particular territory. In the Arab countries, for example, where the Islamic teachings stress equality for Muslims (and not for all humans), the Arabs look down on non-Arab Muslims and deny any respectable jobs to them. Pakistani nationals working in the Arabian Gulf are particularly the victims of such discrimination. Hence, it is not the problem of European Muslims, or any religious identity, but the cultural inertia that does not readily accept any ‘foreigners’ on account of distrust and dislike – both reflecting a deep-seated fear of the ‘outsiders’.

Secondly, the status of a particular individual and/or ethnic group is mainly determined by their potential role in the economic and social prosperity of the society. In Arabian countries, for example, Americans and Europeans enjoy a higher status and receive many privileges due to the investment and technology they (or their countrymen) have brought to the Arabian states. These European/American nationals are living in greater harmony with the Arabians than do Pakistanis and other poor Muslims who have left their country for a better living in Arab countries. Religion again is not a consideration here but the ‘worth’ of an individual to the overall society’s status.

Finally, the issue of prejudice and discrimination seems hard to eradicate of any human society no matter what their egalitarian ideals. The ‘better me’ against ‘ugly them’ is an evolutionary trait that took hundreds of thousands of years to get ingrained in our genetic tendencies. Values of different religious/cultural groups do vary and also clash, whether we dare acknowledge it or not. When these values in clash are brought to occupy the same territory with the same resources, the quest for possession emerges at the cost of equality. It is natural (though not ideally agreeable) to look at the ‘different one’ as a threat.

The real question before us, therefore, is ‘can Muslims change their unique values to tune in with the cultural values of the society in which they live?’ It is important to note that the core issue here is not ‘legal’ i.e. abiding by the law of the country but ‘social’ i.e. deeply accepting the non-Muslim social values that dominate the society. Now this is something ‘easy said than done’ kind of situation since compromising one’s values means losing one’s ethnic identity. But can true integration be brought about without losing one’s values/identity? This is the real big question that challenges our wits. Let’s put our brains to work!

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Michael C
Lyon, France
Hello Karim, and thanks for this excellent and well-balanced piece of writing.

Your question ”can true integration be brought about without losing one’s values/identity?” is very pertinent.

If you would like a corollory point of view on the subject of muslim integration in Europe, may I cordially invite you to read this, which I put up a while back, if just for the factual information I tried to put across...

http://mikool.instablogs.com/entry/muslims-and-the-west-part1-france/

Thanks again for the post...

Seeya
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Burton Wolfe ebooks.burtonwolfe.c..
Coconut Creek, Florida, United States
In my view, Islam in all of its forms is a violent, genocidal, lunatic religion that should be wiped off the face of the earth. There never was any Prophet Mohammed by any spelling or in any language. The entire Koran (or Quran) is fiction. If it were offered today for publication, it would be dismissed as the raving or ravings of a lunatic or several lunatics. The idea that you can separate peaceful or moderate Islamists from extremists is preposterous, because the religion itself is extreme. It is an atavistic imposition on civilization that begs to be exposed for what it is: lunacy that keeps more than a billion human beings locked into an existence based on fraud and primitives’ lunatic ravings. I cannot and will not have any respect for anyone crazy or ignorant enough to follow this lunatic religion or to support the right of its followers to practice the religion. It comprises the single greatest threat to humanity from non-natural sources, and the only way to deal with it is to expose it for the fraud that it is and wipe it off the face of the earth. For more understanding of why I construe Islam as a global threat to humanity, visit my blog Wolfe Lair, to be found at http://wolfelair.blogspot.com. - Burton H. Wolfe
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Ladies and gentlemen, you just read a perfect example of USA paranoid-college-kid-style ranting and raving at its very best.

Get off this site, you disgusting racist creep. You are part of the problem.

People like you, who advocate violence against muslims, or against anyone else, are no better than the Jihadists. You are a disgrace to my culture, (western culture) its values and its beliefs, and you represent nothing else but the sick and paranoid side of USA spoilt brat life.

As for not having respect for those who believe in the right of Islam to exist, I am proud not to have your respect. I don’t want it thanks, and nor does anyone else.

Fuck off back to the hate-filled hole you came from you filthy little jerk. This is not Youtube.

People like you make me sick.

Now shut the hell up and go to bed young man. Don’t you have any homework to do?
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Blah Machine
india, India
A question for all content moderators. Can anybody get away with saying anything on this site, or can certain comments be taken off it? I’m assuming there is no place or tolerance for
absolute and destructive venom?
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Blah Machine, I could delete this comment if I wanted to. But I won’t. Lets just leave it here so that people can see just how sick the downside of America is.
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Blah Machine
india, India
Hmmm Michael, very sick indeed. I wonder how these guys live with themselves, with all of that hate inside - it must be corrosive as hell, wouldn’t you think?

Well anyway, Peace, and keep it coming Karim and all ye thinkers! For today at least, let’s celebrate the fact that there’s more of us than of Burton Wolfe!
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Denis
Geneve, Switzerland
It seems BWolfe is not a dumbass college kid. He is a 76 year old dumb ass. So do not fret Michael, hate filled old men die early. . . their innards go into a knot.
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Thanks for the info Denis.

Well and graphically said too.

So sad, some people fade away SO HARD!!!

Seeya!
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Michael C
Lyon, France
Read my comment. I’m fucking furious!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Blah Machine
india, India
Interesting piece, Karim. Gives you something to think about; one tires of hearing about this West-alientes-Islam-alienates-the-West seesaw. And in this day and age of increasing rhetoric, anybody who thinks an original thought deserves a star!
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The learned professor Tariq Ramadan has raised valid points. Thanks Karim for bringing such analytical piece for eyeballs in the Instablags. It is unfortunate that the debate instead of being an honest one on a burning issue has turned into a no-hold-bar one amidst the Islamophobia, afflicting the west like a virus.

There is a difference between technocrat and techno-coli. And majority of Asians and Africans, including Muslim folks are engaged in the West for petty jobs entitling them to get wages, enough only for bare subsistence and in turn falling prey to the lurking religious leaders.

Secondly, the extended family system in Asia often leads to influx of the friends and relatives of someone who managed to be in the West.
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Well, everybody here: thanks for your comments but please stay calm and abstian from using abusive language.

Michael and Denis, everyone has the right to express his/her opinion. Burton and your opinions are both equally important but please don’t use abusive terms for anyone on the site. I think we are all educated and mature people and can bear criticism without losing temper.

Thanks!

Karim
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Ikramuddin Bahram
Peshawar, Pakistan
Nice article put up before our eyes to see how communities differ in cultures and traditions and how difficult would one community find to integrate into the other.

Well i believe in world like today’s, we need to understand the concept of pluralism and diversity and their due affect in our individual and communal life. To me where for Muslims it is important to adhere to their traditions, it’s also pretty important to them to get to know other cultures and seek to respect them. As far as arabs are concerned, their attitude has never changed and will take a very long time till every arab is educated and taught that the religion of their forefathers, Islam, teaches equality for all and justice for all irrespective of their culture, creed or languge or ethnicity.
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