
It appeared as a brief news item, a few days ago, that a Saudi judge told a seminar on domestic violence that slapping one’s wife for spending money carelessly is fine. This assertion elicited protest from many people attending the seminar, including activists on domestic violence.
The judge, named Hamad-al-Razine of Jeddah, quoted an example to illustrate his take on the point. He said that if a man gave his wife 1200 riyals and the woman spent 900 of those on buying an ‘abaya’ (the black robe that covers women from head to toe), then it would be fine if the husband slaps her face in reaction. Mr. Razine added that the woman would deserve such a punishment.
The problems with the judge’s example and logic (if there is any such thing in it) are way too obvious. First, the example is an impromptu attempt for justifying the orthodox thought/practice of ‘man beating woman’. But it doesn’t work both ways. What if the woman finds that her husband has wasted a hundred thousand riyals on a racehorse? Can she, in such a case, beat her husband with a cricket bat? If not, then the relationship is not one of a husband-wife but that of master-slave.
Secondly, while giving his wife any sum of money, the illustrative husband of Judge Razine must be burdened with the duty of clarifying what exactly counts as ‘careless spending?’ if he doesn’t specify to his wife how much should be spent on what items, he has no right to show a violent reaction later. And of course, he has to justify his reaction by quoting from the Islamic Law, which defines the exact limits for squandering versus parsimony.
The judge’s remarks also seem to run counter to the mainstream Saudi Islamic values – the importance of a ‘decent’ robe for women. Some Islamic scholars insist on women wearing this ‘ghostly’ dress in order to prevent a potential rape. Is it too much then to spend only 900 riyals on a dress that prevents as heinous a crime as rape? For one thing, yes, it IS too much; by spending only a few hundred riyals, a woman could get blindfolds for dozens of potential rapists. No men watching, no rape!
Other things aside, the judge’s pro-violence remarks came in the very seminar which was meant to prevent violence. Is it not fair then to request such self-professed judges to retire from their judicial position? While sending such a judge home will certainly be great injustice to the poor woman who happens to be his wife, it may save hundreds of thousands of other women whose shopping budgets are not clearly defined, for each item they buy, by their husbands.
I wouldn’t support this judge. At the same time, society should also focus on the other side that is happening in western and feminist nations where men are discriminated.
weaker sex.
But aren’t women ussing the ’weaker sex’ tag for undue advantages in India and elsewhere? Special priviliges for women because they are considered the weaker sex.
Slapping ignorant judges is OK.
Unless the judge happens to be one’s wife and in which case it is unlikely she would make such an utterly stupid comment about the rectitude of male-to-female violence.
How about slapping feminists too who claim female supremacy?
And male-to-female violence is not the only form of violence. There is female-to-male violence too. How about condemning that too?
I was joking about slapping the judge and I figure that the sardonic nature of this was obvious.
Islam is most misunderstood by vile propaganda on Islam. The westerns target polygamy.There are mutilated Qurans in circulation. I would like those friends to go deep into the matter why polygamy was advocated and tto understand it. There are several other topics where in a limited scope one cannot explain in wider context.
Hope things are well with you
I have no conflict with any male god or gods and thats because i have washed away the stronger others brainwashing
I stand under no flag- no border- not any one religion that people were born into and die in
Logic tells me ,i didn’t choose much ,my name -no, my dna -no, my place on earth- no, my parents -no,my mental makeup -no, what confronts me every second of a day- no,the shape of my body- no,and on and on with each piece of logic taking one away from mans crazy brainwashing
When one can make these choices before birth then and only then could you judge a person on what they choose
Nature keeps people too busy to be conscious of these facts making people do her will by pretending emotion will guide them
Not to see all through history that no woman ever created a god in their image is the power of male brainwashing
There should basically be no gender biased God. Feminine Gods are very prominent in Hinduism, still women suffer in India. Therefore, you can’t single out gender as the main reason behind selection of one’s God.
Thanks for your formed thoughts through your cultural upbringing and i say that with kindness because that is how most of humans have to go through life
Ikramuddin
I know ,Hinduism and all religions or belief’s of the world ,past and present
I defy you to name one female god that woman created and all males of a culture follow- other than the ones man made up because of his insecurities
Ikramuddin -i am not trying to convince a formed mind of anything or asking a formed mind to agree because i learned long ago that if you think logic emotion will not take kindly to it
You didn’t address my point about no choices ,another trick nature uses to blind humans to do her work
Take care, and remember thinking hurts no one ,unless the thoughts turn to action
Local Opinions (2)
It appears as if you are at war with ”God(s)” and not with the society. I would like to know who runs the affair of the society? Is it the humans themselves or God(s) come down on earth in a manifestation to run the affairs which has nothing to do with him/them?
There should basically be no gender biased God. Feminine Gods are very prominent in Hinduism, still women suffer in India. Therefore, you can’t single out gender as the main reason behind selection of one’s God.
Global Opinions (17)
Woman have never created any gods so have to accept the punishments form the male made up gods
The males of our species that control and run this world are as dizzy as any time in history and if anyone thinks their going to give equlity or fairness to the male so called weaker part of our species are naive or just brainwashed to a point of no return
It is not a good time in our evoution to be woman because man still use woman as a tool to bring new life to earth and so he can determine how the new life will live or die
No god or gods ever created man with all his cruelties that he pushes on half his own species –only a devil would find this to it’s liking
Its better to live in the countries where women have sense of freedom for them. I wonder how women live in arabian, south-asian, african countries.
Men literally treat women as property there.
I wouldn’t support this judge. At the same time, society should also focus on the other side that is happening in western and feminist nations where men are discriminated.
weaker sex.
Slapping ignorant judges is OK.
Unless the judge happens to be one’s wife and in which case it is unlikely she would make such an utterly stupid comment about the rectitude of male-to-female violence.
Islam is most misunderstood by vile propaganda on Islam. The westerns target polygamy.There are mutilated Qurans in circulation. I would like those friends to go deep into the matter why polygamy was advocated and tto understand it. There are several other topics where in a limited scope one cannot explain in wider context.
But aren’t women ussing the ’weaker sex’ tag for undue advantages in India and elsewhere? Special priviliges for women because they are considered the weaker sex.
How about slapping feminists too who claim female supremacy?
And male-to-female violence is not the only form of violence. There is female-to-male violence too. How about condemning that too?
I was joking about slapping the judge and I figure that the sardonic nature of this was obvious.
Hope things are well with you
I have no conflict with any male god or gods and thats because i have washed away the stronger others brainwashing
I stand under no flag- no border- not any one religion that people were born into and die in
Logic tells me ,i didn’t choose much ,my name -no, my dna -no, my place on earth- no, my parents -no,my mental makeup -no, what confronts me every second of a day- no,the shape of my body- no,and on and on with each piece of logic taking one away from mans crazy brainwashing
When one can make these choices before birth then and only then could you judge a person on what they choose
Nature keeps people too busy to be conscious of these facts making people do her will by pretending emotion will guide them
Not to see all through history that no woman ever created a god in their image is the power of male brainwashing
Thanks for your formed thoughts through your cultural upbringing and i say that with kindness because that is how most of humans have to go through life
Ikramuddin
I know ,Hinduism and all religions or belief’s of the world ,past and present
I defy you to name one female god that woman created and all males of a culture follow- other than the ones man made up because of his insecurities
Ikramuddin -i am not trying to convince a formed mind of anything or asking a formed mind to agree because i learned long ago that if you think logic emotion will not take kindly to it
You didn’t address my point about no choices ,another trick nature uses to blind humans to do her work
Take care, and remember thinking hurts no one ,unless the thoughts turn to action
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Woman have never created any gods so have to accept the punishments form the male made up gods
The males of our species that control and run this world are as dizzy as any time in history and if anyone thinks their going to give equlity or fairness to the male so called weaker part of our species are naive or just brainwashed to a point of no return
It is not a good time in our evoution to be woman because man still use woman as a tool to bring new life to earth and so he can determine how the new life will live or die
No god or gods ever created man with all his cruelties that he pushes on half his own species –only a devil would find this to it’s liking
Its better to live in the countries where women have sense of freedom for them. I wonder how women live in arabian, south-asian, african countries.
Men literally treat women as property there.
It appears as if you are at war with ”God(s)” and not with the society. I would like to know who runs the affair of the society? Is it the humans themselves or God(s) come down on earth in a manifestation to run the affairs which has nothing to do with him/them?